Clay Morrow that Sneaky Snook

You’ll have to excuse the title of this post.  I got up early this morning to watch last night’s episode before my kids got up and it was followed by Jake and the Neverland Pirates once they were awake.  The phrase just popped in my head and stuck.  How about it though right? Clay hasn’t been the greatest characters over the years but I am a big fan of Ron Pearlman and what he brings to the show.  I am really glad we have reason to think he has escaped death again.  I didn’t figure it out when the prisoners handed him a shiv instead of killing him so I was shocked when he suddenly stabbed the leader of the white prisoners to death in the brawl. I think it’s awesome because Clay has found a way to survive without becoming a rat in order to do so.  The development of him siding with Pope’s people was a great idea and I like where it is going.

It’s a shame Tig is dead but the writing was on the wall.  It was going to happen sooner or later and if it means we lose Kim Coates but keep Ron Pearlman I’m ok with it.  I liked Kim Coates and what he brought to the show but he isn’t a really good actor.  I have a brother who only watched the show once and it was the episode when Tig’s daughter was killed.  He is always quick to point out how bad the acting was in the scene when she is burned alive and how it reflects on the show.  It frustrates me every time because I don’t have a leg to stand on and can’t offer a good counter argument to the point.  Tig has always been cool on the show but when the call for real acting came Kim Coates didn’t bring it.

I do have one question about the previews for next week.  Did I see the Darby from the earlier seasons of the show? He was the character who was leader of the Nords and sided with the Nazis in season 2.  If I remember correctly he was betrayed by the Nazis and left for dead in a burning building at some point during that season.  Did anybody else see him and am I remembering it correctly?

I would also like to add how cool it is to see CCH Pounder on the show playing the DA.  I was a huge fan of The Shield and like that Kurt Sutter brings so many of the actors from that show into this one.  So far we have seen nearly every one of the main characters from The Shield short of the big dog Michael Chiklis.  My wife and I have had a running joke about CCH Pounder since her days on The Shield so it’s cool to see her in something and have a reason to dust it off for fresh use.  The joke is just about her name.  I’m sure that she goes by C-C-H Pounder but we have always jokingly referred to her as “Ka-CH” Pounder.  It’s stupid but it’s always given us a small laugh.  Nevertheless she is a great actress and I look forward to what she will bring to this show.

I’m going to list characters from The Shield I remember popping up on SOA.  I’m going specifically from memory so if I am forgetting anyone then leave me a comment about who they are and I’ll update the list. I don’t have the time to look up all the names and characters they played so this list will look crude.

Lem-played a Samcro member that rivaled Tig
Ronnie-played an assistant to the RICO prosecutor
Shane-Walt Goggins appeared as one of Nero’s cross dressing girls last year in a classic scene using the hilarious name Venus Van Damme. A direct reference to his alias on The Shield, Cletus Van Damme.
Wagenbach-played the ATF agent that stalked Tara in season 1
Wyms-now playing the Charming DA
Aceveda-played Danny Trejo’s number 2
Margos-The character was played by Kurt Sutter, the creator of SOA, who of course plays Otto on the show
rape suspect-Mayor Hale once played a perp who got interrogated and arrested by Wagonbach for statutory rape
Juan Lozano (that guy who did that thing to Aceveda)-played one of Nero’s old associates last season

Thanks to a comment from a reader there is a new name to add to the list:
The leader of the Mayans, Alvarez played Navaro Quintero who was the older brother of season 2 baddie Armadillo.

There is also the 1-9ers to consider.  I have noticed no direct cross over characters but the gang itself was one made up for The Shield and was a regular gang to contend with throughout the series.

There are several other smaller characters from both shows that have crossed over and I can’t remember specifically.  I know the local business man Clay had under his thumb in earlier seasons made an appearance on The Shield once as a guy working with Vic’s old partner played by Carl Weathers.  There are several more I know so if you remember anyone I am forgetting then leave a comment and let me know.  Missing in action for sure are Vic, Danni, and Julien from The Shield.  With the rate of appearances it is only a matter of time.  It may be wishful thinking but I would really like to see Michael Chiklis as the biggest meanest bad guy the show has ever seen in the final season or something.

UPDATE: Obviously I was mistaken about Tig and just wanted to note that.  I misinterpreted the scenes from next week when it showed the Sons jacket burning.  That was for the big guy killed by the Irish and I thought it was Tig’s jacket.  I’m glad Tig hasn’t been killed because I like his character, despite Kim Coates acting ability when scenes focus on him.


  1. Emilio Rivera who plays Marcus Alvarez (Leader of the Mayans) in SOA was starring in 2 Episodes (Greenlit & The Quick Fix) of THE SHIELD as Navaro Quintero…

    1. Of course! Armidillo’s brother that they thought they could leverage against him. Thank you for pointing that out, I can’t believe I hadn’t noticed that one.

      1. There are even more – Katey Segal appeard in THE SHIELD as Nancy Gilroy in 2 Episodes (‘Grave’ in 2005 and ‘Exiled’ in 2007).
        Ally Walker, the infamous Agent Stahl from SOA had a small role as Tori Burke in THE SHIELD episode ‘Postpartum’ (2006).
        David Marciano that we know as Steve Billings from THE SHIIELD has an apperance in the SOA episode ‘Turning and Turning’ from 2010 as ‘Chicken man’.
        The list goes on and on – Go to the advanced search of the IMDB here: and enter the two series names. You’ll get quite a huge list of mainly generally ‘unknown’ actors who appeared in both series…

  2. Also 3 more notes from season 5 alone. Remember Armando on Sons? The Mexican leader of the Sons Tucson charter that got chopped up? He’s in this season. A psycho Vic tangled with. Also Katey Sagal (Gemma) appears as Ben Gilroy’s wife at his funeral. Finally, in the season 5 five finale Ally Walker pops up. The lesbian DEA agent June Stahl that was trying to shut down SAMCRO.

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